Episode 23: The Zakar Twins, Authors

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Zach and Michael Zakar call themselves the "Middle Eastern Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen" — which gives you a taste of how funny they are.

Writers, models, actors, the Zakar Twins most recent book, How to Be Fucking Happy is out now. I love this line from their book description, "Happiness takes practice, so grab a pen because you're writing this story too." As you'll tell by listening this interview, I had a ton of fun with these Iraqi brothers. Based in Detroit, their first book, Pray the Gay Away, dug into their experiences growing up in a conservative family and coming to terms with their sexuality (and finding out they were both gay after hooking up with the same guy!).

The Zakar twins are like fun friends you want to discuss your own mental health journey with as they share theirs. We'll be hearing more from them.

This is the unedited Zoom version of our conversation. To hear the podcast, subscribe to the Beautiful Voyager podcast wherever you listen to podcasts.

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